FYROM has won sympathy from other European countries in this dispute. But under the nationalist Mr Gruevski, it is losing it.

When FYROM renamed Skopje airport for Alexander the Great in 2007, this seemed a one-off to annoy Greece. More recently, however, the government has broadened a policy the opposition calls "antiquisation". The main road to Greece has been renamed for Alexander and the national sports stadium named after his father, and plans are afoot to erect a huge statue of Alexander in central Skopje. These gestures play well to a public that was incensed by Greece';s veto of an invitation to FYROM to join NATO, but the country is losing friends. "It is nuts," sighs one diplomat. "They don';t see the cause and effect."

Alexander died in 323BC. The Slavs arrived only a thousand years later.

http://www.economist.com/world/europe/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13414181

Macedonian Identity "To Be Defined"

Skopje | 02 April 2009 | 
 

HAVE A LOOK AT THE OFFICIAL PROPAGANDA OF SKOPIA GOVERMENT OF FYROM:

ΩΡΑ ΓΕΛΙΟΥ ΚΑΙ ΚΛΑΜΑΤΟΣ:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf200-YknNA

AND FINALLY, THE BEST VIDEO OF THE WORLD IS HERE

THE SKOPIANS (PSEUDOMACEDONIANS), NOW ARE INVOLVING ALSO 'PERSEUS', THE GREEK HERO OF ANTIQUITY TO THEIR TRYING OF DISTORTION AND FALSIFICATION OF THE GREEK HISTORICAL HERITAGE...

BELLOW THE ARTICLE OF THE

(PSEUDO)MACEDONIADAILY.BLOGSPOT.COM

GOLDEN PERSEUS MEDALS FOR PROMOTION OF MACEDONISM

The ''Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia'' has no connection with the Historical Macedonia of Alexander and the Greeks, since the term is used only because they live in a close geografical area of the Historical Greek Macedonia.

The present political regime, useless try to confuse their young citizens that their slavs ancestors mixed with indigenus greek macedonians,so to giustify the conflict about the name issue with Greece.

But the statements of different political officers of FYROM confirm the truth.

Indians, Persians, Afgans, Egyptians are more related to Macedonians and Greek culture than Slavs of FYROM.

a. The former President of The FYROM, Kiro Gligorov said: ";We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians" (Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992, p. 35).

b. Also, Mr Gligorov declared: "We are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians. That's who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Greek and his Macedonia ...; Our ancestors came here in the 5th and 6th century" (Toronto Star, March 15, 1992).

c. On 22 January 1999, Ambassador of the FYROM to USA, Ljubica Achevska gave a speech on the present situation in the Balkans. In answering questions at the end of her speech Mrs. Acevshka said: "We do not claim to be descendants of Alexander the Great ...; Greece is Macedonia';s second largest trading partner, and its number one investor. Instead of opting for war, we have chosen the mediation of the United Nations, with talks on the ambassadorial level under Mr. Vance and Mr. Nemitz." In reply to another question about the ethnic origin of the people of FYROM, Ambassador Achevska stated that "we are Slavs and we speak a Slav language.";

d. On 24 February 1999, in an interview with the Ottawa Citizen, Gyordan Veselinov, FYROM'S Ambassador to Canada, admitted, "We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian." He also commented, ";There is some confusion about the identity of the people of my country."

e. Moreover, the Foreign Minister of the FYROM, Slobodan Casule, in an interview to Utrinski Vesnik of Skopje on December 29, 2001, said that he mentioned to the Foreign Minister of Bulgaria, Solomon Pasi, that they "belong to the same Slav people.";

Εθνος 18-4-2008

Με την υπουργό Εξωτερικών Ντ. Μπακογιάννη διαμέσου του Διαδικτύου να υποστηρίζει τη «γεωγραφική» διάσταση της ονομασίας... «Νέα Μακεδονία», η Αθήνα υποδέχεται χωρίς ιδιαίτερες προσδοκίες σήμερα τον διεθνή μεσολαβητή Μ. Νίμιτς, ο οποίος θα συναντηθεί με την υπουργό Εξωτερικών και τον Γ. Παπανδρέου.

Η κ. Μπακογιάννη σε ενημερωτική συνάντηση που είχε την Τετάρτη με δέκα επιλεγμένους από το προσωπικό γραφείο της μπλόγκερ (Σημείωση ιστολόγου: που τους βρήκαν αυτούς τους blogger, ο θεός και η ψυχή τους...), σε μαγνητοσκοπημένο απόσπασμα από τη συνάντηση στην αίθουσα «Ελευθέριου Βενιζέλου» στο κτίριο του υπουργείου Εξωτερικών, διατυπώνει τη θέση ότι το όνομα «Νέα Μακεδονία» έχει γεωγραφική διάσταση (και επομένως ανταποκρίνεται στα κριτήρια που έχουν τεθεί από την Αθήνα).

«Το Νέα Μακεδονία έχει και γεωγραφική διάσταση, καθώς η Παλιά Μακεδονία είναι η ολόκληρη και η Νέα ένα κομμάτι της», δηλώνει η κ. Μπακογιάννη, επιβεβαιώνοντας έτσι τις πληροφορίες που παρουσίαζαν την κυβέρνηση (ή τουλάχιστον το υπουργείο Εξωτερικών) να «φλερτάρει» με αυτήν την ονομασία, παρά το γεγονός ότι ούτε δημοσίως (και πάντως όχι στη Βουλή), αλλά ούτε και στις εμπιστευτικές ενημερώσεις των κομμάτων είχε δοθεί μια τέτοια «γεωγραφική» διάσταση στη συγκεκριμένη ονομασία.

Χθες στο υπουργείο Εξωτερικών πραγματοποιήθηκε μια σύντομη συνάντηση του Εθνικού Συμβουλίου Εξωτερικής Πολιτικής, υπό την προεδρία της Ντ. Μπακογιάννη.

Ο Θ. Πάγκαλος εξέφρασε την εκτίμηση ότι υπάρχει γενικώς κλίμα ομοφωνίας για το Σκοπιανό και τόνισε ότι οι ελληνικές θέσεις είναι σαφείς.

Ο Α. Λοβέρδος επανέλαβε τη θέση επί της οποίας υπάρχει συναίνεση για επιδίωξη λύσης για σύνθετη ονομασία, με γεωγραφικό προσδιορισμό και χρήση έναντι όλων, ενώ ο «σκιώδης» υπουργός Εξωτερικών του ΠΑΣΟΚ επέμεινε ότι δεν πρέπει η εξωτερική πολιτική να προσανατολιστεί μονομερώς στο Σκοπιανό.

Από τη ΝΔ ο βουλευτής Κ. Γκιουλέκας τόνισε ότι η Ελλάδα δεν είναι η επισπεύδουσα πλευρά, ενώ ο Μ. Βαρβιτσιώτης, τόνισε ότι δεν πρέπει ενδεχόμενες υπερβολές της προεκλογικής περιόδου στα Σκόπια να απαντηθούν από την Αθήνα.

Ο βουλευτής του ΣΥΡΙΖΑ Γ. Μπάνιας δήλωσε ότι υπάρχει συμφωνία, ότι είναι θετικό το γεγονός ότι η διαπραγμάτευση φεύγει από το πλαίσιο του ΝΑΤΟ.

Ο εκπρόσωπος του ΛΑΟΣ Κ. Πολίτης, εκφράζοντας την ανησυχία του, δήλωσε ότι δεν αρκεί μια λύση να είναι αμοιβαία αποδεκτή, αλλά να είναι και καλή.

Ν. ΜΕΛΕΤΗΣ

Blogger: we hope the greek companies move out from skopia, as soon as possible, and return to Greece or the good neightbors around...

From: Slavic-pseudo'macedoniadaily'.org

PROTESTS IN OHRID

THE TRUTH ABOUT MACEDONIA!


MACEDONIAN HISTORY AND THE FORGERS OF ALBANIA-FYROM-BULGARIA


The truth about Macedonia...

There is no doupt that ancient Macedonians were Greek. It is thoroughly proved by historic documents and archaeological discoveries which can be found in history books and museums in Greece and arround the world. The most important archeological discovery in Macedonia is the tomb of King Philippos II. It was excavated in Vergina, Greece in 1978 and it proves beyond any doubt the Greekness of ancient Macedonia. All the findings are characteristic of the Greek culture and all the inscriptions are written using the Greek language. Among the discoveries of this tomb is the "Vergina sun" the symbol that FYROM attempted to use on its flag initially.

Facts which prove that ancient Macedonians were Greek people:

" Macedonians spoke a dialect of the Greek language
All the monuments and inscriptions found in the Macedonia are written using the Greek language. Take a look at the archaeological discoveries. There is no historic evidence to suggest that the Macedonians were using a different language.

" Macedonians had Greek names
All the ancient Macedonian names mentioned in history or found on tombs are Greek. All the kings of Ancient Macedonia had Greek names. Nobody discovered ancient Macedonian names ending to -ov or -ovski or whatever.

Alexander's name is Greek. The word "Alexandros" is produced from the prefix alex(=protector) and the word andros(=man) meaning "he who protects men". The prefix "alex" can be found in many Greek words today (alexiptoto=parachute, alexisfairo=bulletproof - all these words have the meaning of protetion).

Philip's name is also Greek. It is produced from the prefix Philo(=friendly to something) and the word ippos(=horse) meaning the man who is friendly to horses. The prefix "philo" and the word "ippos" are also found in many words of Greek origin today (philosophy,philology, hippodrome,hippocampus).
A detailed list of ancient Macedonian names can be found here.

" The regions of ancient Macedonia had Greek names.
The regions which formed ancient Macedonia had Greek names. Most of these names are used in Greece even today.

" Macedonian architecture was similar to the Greek architecture.
All the buldings found in the Macedonia region have many common characteristics with the ones found in the rest of Greece. Palaces, temples, theaters markets are characteristic sampes of ancient Greek architecture.

" Macedonians fought together with the rest of the Greeks.
Macedonians always fought along with the other Greek city-states against enemies from Asia.

" Macedonians took part in the Olympic games.
It is well known then ONLY Greeks were allowed to take part in the ancient Olympic games. For a list of Macedonians who participated in the Olympic Games.

" Macedonians celebrated the same festivals as the rest of the Greeks.
Examples of festivals which were celebrated in Macedonia as well as in other Greek states are the "Hetaireidia", the "Apellaia" and many more.

" Macedonians worshiped the same Gods as the rest of the Greeks.
Several temples dedicated to the Greek Gods have beem discovered in Macedonia and especially in Dion the religious center of ancient Macedonians. It is obvious that the Macedonias worshiped the 12 Olympian Gods as the rest of the Greeks. The Gods were "living" on Mount Olympos which happens to be located in Macedonia. How would that be possible if there was hostility between Macedonians and Greeks? This is another proof that Macedonia was considered a part of Greece.

On the origin of the Macedonians:

The Greek origin of the Macedonians is proven by the vast majority of the ancient historians.
Diodoros of Sicily talks about the links of Alexander to the Greek mythology (Diodoros, Historical Library 17.1.5):


"On his father's side Alexander was a descendant of Heracles and on his mother's he could claim the blood of the Aeacids, so that from his ancestors on both sides he inherited the physical and moral qualities of greatness."
Herodotus confirms that the Macedonians were people of Greek origin (Histories of Herodotus Book 5, paragraph 22.1)


"Now that these descendants of Perdiccas are Greeks, as they themselves say, I myself chance to know and will prove it in the later part of my history.That they are so has been already adjudged by those who manage the Pan-Hellenic contest at Olympia. "
And later on (Book 8, paragraph 137.1) he verifies it:


"This Alexander was seventh in descent from Perdiccas, who got for himself the tyranny of Macedonia in the way that I will show. Three brothers of the lineage of Temenus came as banished men from Argos to Illyria, Gauanes and Aeropus and Perdiccas; and from Illyria they crossed over into the highlands of Macedonia till they came to the town Lebaea."
Also in the very first book of his "Histories" (paragraph 56.3 ) Herodotus states about the origin of the the Greek people :


"For in the days of king Deucalion it inhabited the land of Phthia, then the country called Histiaean, under Ossa and Olympus, in the time of Dorus son of Hellen; driven from this Histiaean country by the Cadmeans, it settled about Pindus in the territory called Macedonian; from there again it migrated to Dryopia, and at last came from Dryopia into the Peloponnese, where it took the name of Dorian."
Thoukididis also verifies that the Macedonian kings' origin was from the Greek town of Argos (Book 2, 99.3):

Are FYROM's residents Macedonians?
A quick review of the Fyromian web sites wil prove that they seem to be confused themselves:

Some of them believe they are descedants of ancient Macedonians
Some of them beleive that they can consider themeselves Macedonians since they live in a part of what used to be ancient Macedonia
Some of them believe they are Macedonians but not directly linked to ancient Macedonians
Some of them believe they are Macedonians because they are free to call themselves as they like(!!!)
The official web site of the president of FYROM states clearly that these people came to Macedonia at the end 10th century:
"The beginnings of the statehood of the Macedonian Slaves go back to the end of the 10th century and beginning of the 11t, with the creation of Samoil's state."
Link:


http://www.president.gov.mk/eng/makedonija.htm

Suggestions

Some suggestions for FYROM's permanent name:
The name this region used since the 2nd world war - Vardarska
The ancient name of the region - Paionia
A name which describes the country geographicaly - Central Balkan Republic


" Bibliography about Macedonia
This is a list of books we recomend for further information about Macedonia and its history. The books listed below are written and published by non Greek authors and publishers so that they may not be characterised as biased.

"A history of Macedonia"
by N G L Hammond
and G T Griffith / F W Walbank
Oxford University Press, 1979

"In the Footsteps of Alexander the Great : A Journey from Greece to Asia"
by Michael Wood,
University of California Press, 1997

"A History of Macedonia (Hellenistic Culture and Society)"
by Robert Malcolm Errington and Catherine Errington
University of California Press, 1993

"Alexander the Great and the Hellenistic Empire"
by A R Burn
The Macmillan Co, New York., 1948

"The nature of Alexander"
by Mary Renault
Penguin Books Ltd, 1975

"Griechische Geschichte : von den Anfanfen bis in die romische Kaiserzeit."
by Hermann Bengtson
Verlag C. Beck, Munchen, 1965

From: Slavic'macedonia'daily.org

BITOLA, CITY OF CULTURE 2008, Pseudomacedonia

NOTES OF BLOGGER:

Some important notes for the people of Pseudomacedonia:
the 'city' of culture is an idea of Melina Merkouri, to stabilize connection between the people of Europe, under the name 'Capital of Culture'...
The Pseudomacedonians, organized a (pseudo)city of culture, to stabilize connection between the different ethnicities of Skopia...
Only in Pseudomacedonia, could exist another pseudo-festival, coppied from Greek ideas...
The only PSEUDO entity in the Whole world, exists as PSEUDOstate, with a PSEUDOflag, PSEUDOideas, PSEUDOlanguage, PSEUDOculture and PSEUDOcitizens...
How much PSEUDO... can you support?!!!

From: Slavic'macedonia'daily.org

EARLY ELECTIONS IN JUNE

FROM: Slavic'macedonia'daily.org

(Note of blogger: A shopping center in Skopia the Pseudomacedonian capital, named 'Leptokaria',as the omonymous vilage of Greece in Katerini - Macedonia...)

LARGE FIRE IN SKOPJE'S LEPTOKARIJA

FROM: Slavic'macedonia'daily.org

PSEUDO'MACEDONIA' TO CONTINUE THE TALKS

SIGN OF PROTEST IN OHRID